Do you Believe in Miracles? Why or why not?

KeiChrono wrote:

UltimateContrarian wrote:

KeiChrono wrote:

UltimateContrarian wrote:

KeiChrono wrote:

UltimateContrarian wrote:

KeiChrono wrote: Yes, I do believe in miracles But only in those that have been validated by the Holy Church You can read about some of them in here> www.miraclehunter.co.../miracles1.html

What makes you think that the Catholic Church has the capacity or the power to discern what is a miracle and what isn't?

Because it is the only one that is truly based upon the infallible, divine revelation If you read about the discernment of miracles on the page that I linked, you can notice that their evaluation is very rigorous. Lots of events that people would call miracles are not considered as such by the Church. From 7000 so-called miracles at Lourdes, the Church has approved only 67

There are many religious groups that claim religious infallibility not just the Catholic Church.
And you say infallibility? There are about thousands of cases where the Catholic Church is wrong, claims of the natural world we live in, social and civil justice, of which they have given their apologies and still a thousand more they should feel the urge and the moral obligation to.

One example out of the hundreds I can think of: The catholic church propagated the dogma that every unbaptized children who died will go to a limbo, this had driven Christian parents in those time to severe grief and suffering thinking how could they have allowed their children to suffer such faith trapped in a limbo just because they have not baptized them in time, a hundred of years after, the Catholic Church lifted this dogma and said they made a mistake, and on the very next day assume infallibility again. SMH

Well, many can claim it, not many can have it For instance, there are lots of faith healers out there who love to invoke the name of Jesus, but that doesn't mean they are the real thing. You should watch Derren Brown's Messiah Also... the people of the Church may have failed at times, but one of the strengths of the Catholic Church resides precisely in its capacity to apologize (like Pope John Paul II did). Apologizing is not a weakness.

The famous limbo has never been an official dogma

This theory, elaborated by theologians beginning in the Middle Ages, never entered into the dogmatic definitions of the Magisterium, even if that same Magisterium did at times mention the theory in its ordinary teaching up until the Second Vatican Council. It remains therefore a possible theological hypothesis. However, in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), the theory of limbo is not mentioned. Rather, the Catechism teaches that infants who die without baptism are entrusted by the Church to the mercy of God, as is shown in the specific funeral rite for such children.

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It only shows that they are NOT INFALLIBLE and NOT IN POSITION of a DIVINE WISDOM. They are humans, and it shows by the mistake they make. They have no credibility whatsoever.

If you say so I do agree with Tamm, LuckyTree and Whatsurnames though, I reckon you will not be persuaded by religious reasoning

Correction, there is no such thing as Religious Reasoning.

UltimateContrarian wrote:

KeiChrono wrote:

UltimateContrarian wrote:

LuckyTree wrote:

nanox wrote: Justify yourself to him right now!

No thanks, he wouldn't be able to handle it anyway.
And I don't need an additional worshipper right now

Wishful delusional thinking are the things I am very equipped to handle. And do not worry about me worshiping you, I do not have the credulity to worship a deity who has glasses and lips twiched in a disturbing way.

This will sound like a blasphemy coming from me, but I actually think LuckyTree would make a very cute deity

Well we all have our preferences. Even if you are God, you certainly cant please everyone. My standards are much higher if we are talking about which diety I should be a slave to.

Yeah, we all find our personal deity, sooner or later

this is off topic because it isn't going to be heard, but i like communicating this, and then i'll move on because it's a go-nowhere type of thread as others have mentioned.

with some people, probably more so than others, they sense things that others don't. also, if a god wants to communicate with them, he or she will find a way to do it. since they are a god, they would know how to do that. also, people may be able to sense those things later on in life, so that doesn't mean it won't happen.

"hmmm, someone is standing behind me or staring at me." that's what human beings sense when they know another human being is near them and might be a threat. people experience that all the time, it's the same way with sensing being told something by a deity. if people don't believe that, that's fine, too. doesn't matter to me.

Yeah, witch pray for me to be strong and healthy and it works. I believe it has something to do with my personal route as well.

No.
Miracles for me are facts that science can't explain yet.
People worshiped the sun in antiquity.....

My mom had trepanation of the skull (has aneurysm). Doctors gave her a 5% chance. Now my mom still alive. Miracle? Hmmm I think so.

Nakemiin wrote: My mom had trepanation of the skull (has aneurysm). Doctors gave her a 5% chance. Now my mom still alive. Miracle? Hmmm I think so.

Definitely not a miracle, just because something has a rare possibility of ever happening doesn't make it a miracle. Even if something has a billion to one possibility of ever occurring, as it is bound to happen once in every billion of cases.

UltimateContrarian wrote:

Nakemiin wrote: My mom had trepanation of the skull (has aneurysm). Doctors gave her a 5% chance. Now my mom still alive. Miracle? Hmmm I think so.

Definitely not a miracle, just because something has a rare possibility of ever happening doesn't make it a miracle. Even if something has a billion to one possibility of ever occurring, as it is bound to happen once in every billion of cases.

Is money grow from tree a miracle to you?
And do you believe in dragon ball?

UltimateContrarian wrote:

Nakemiin wrote: My mom had trepanation of the skull (has aneurysm). Doctors gave her a 5% chance. Now my mom still alive. Miracle? Hmmm I think so.

Definitely not a miracle, just because something has a rare possibility of ever happening doesn't make it a miracle. Even if something has a billion to one possibility of ever occurring, as it is bound to happen once in every billion of cases.

Well actually, by definition it is:

mir·a·cle
ˈmirək(ə)l/
noun
a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.
"the miracle of rising from the grave"
synonyms: wonder, marvel, sensation, phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon, mystery
"his recovery was a blessed miracle"

a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences.
"it was a miracle that more people hadn't been killed or injured"

an amazing product or achievement, or an outstanding example of something.
"a machine which was a miracle of design"
synonyms: wonder, marvel, sensation, phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon, mystery
"his recovery was a blessed miracle"

nanox wrote:

UltimateContrarian wrote:

Nakemiin wrote: My mom had trepanation of the skull (has aneurysm). Doctors gave her a 5% chance. Now my mom still alive. Miracle? Hmmm I think so.

Definitely not a miracle, just because something has a rare possibility of ever happening doesn't make it a miracle. Even if something has a billion to one possibility of ever occurring, as it is bound to happen once in every billion of cases.

Well actually, by definition it is:

mir·a·cle
ˈmirək(ə)l/
noun
a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.
"the miracle of rising from the grave"
synonyms: wonder, marvel, sensation, phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon, mystery
"his recovery was a blessed miracle"

a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences.
"it was a miracle that more people hadn't been killed or injured"

an amazing product or achievement, or an outstanding example of something.
"a machine which was a miracle of design"
synonyms: wonder, marvel, sensation, phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon, mystery
"his recovery was a blessed miracle"

It is good that you have taken the time to look it up in the dictionary which proves my case, there is no reason to attribute surviving from an operation of which there has 5 percent chance of surviving as a result of a divine intervention or agency, it not extraordinary, there is nothing supernatural about it, it follows the laws of probability.