Do you Believe in Miracles? Why or why not?

Share a personal experience that you regard as a Miracle. Justify your belief of miracles or the lack of belief to it.

I see it as a miracle that my dad's alcoholism is gone.....he started going to church and being active there.....sober like 5 years now:)
I am not fully religious but he tried everything else and this made the difference:)

Chiquita wrote: I see it as a miracle that my dad's alcoholism is gone.....he started going to church and being active there.....sober like 5 years now:)
I am not fully religious but he tried everything else and this made the difference:)

That is not a miracle, that change can be accounted to sheer will power. If you think it takes a miracle for a person to turn his or her life around then I think you underestimate the human spirit.

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No I personally do not, but that doesn't stop me from praying in times of crisis.

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No I personally do not, but that doesn't stop me from praying in times of crisis.

Prayer: The admission that God had somehow arranged matters in a wrong way, not in your favor, yet having the arrogance to instruct god to rearrange such circumstances so they can then work on your favor.
The contradiction is thick here..

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No I personally do not, but that doesn't stop me from praying in times of crisis.

Prayer: The admission that God had somehow arranged matters in a wrong way, not in your favor, yet having the arrogance to instruct god to rearrange such circumstances so they can then work on your favor.
The contradiction is thick here..

I don't pray to affect the law of the univers but it's more of a psychological reaction. Like I said, I know exactly where this thread is going.

A vegan, an atheist and a Crossfitter walk into a bar. I know because they told everyone.

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No I personally do not, but that doesn't stop me from praying in times of crisis.

Prayer: The admission that God had somehow arranged matters in a wrong way, not in your favor, yet having the arrogance to instruct god to rearrange such circumstances so they can then work on your favor.
The contradiction is thick here..

I don't pray to affect the law of the univers but it's more of a psychological reaction. Like I said, I know exactly where this thread is going.

A vegan, an atheist and a Crossfitter walk into a bar. I know because they told everyone.

I have no interest in knowing how this thread would end, I just want to know the justifications and logic behind supporting the belief in Miracles.
And if you foresee the end of this as a wreckage resulting from two trains in a head-on collision course, then I suppose it is a metaphor of Reason and Unreason being incompatible wherever, whenever.

And yes you are right, it is more of a placebo effect - praying. It is actually convincing yourself that you have done some good when you have done nothing. It gives you a feeling of righteousness, and maybe a measure of control, but really does not translate into the real world.

Since you're so "scientific", you may want to read into the studies of placebo effect instead of throwing that word around like you know what it means.

Yes, I do believe in miracles But only in those that have been validated by the Holy Church You can read about some of them in here> www.miraclehunter.co.../miracles1.html

Whatusername wrote: Since you're so "scientific", you may want to read into the studies of placebo effect instead of throwing that word around like you know what it means.

I know what it does, it is a powerful thing, it is responsible for curing most of people's illness, just as loneliness and negative thoughts can drive a person to ill-health, which is the reverse of it. But again, it has its limits. You can pray all you want, but it does not affect a rampaging hurricane headed to your direction, it doesn't affect the urges of a psychopath to kill you and etc. I am trying to frame where placebo is relevant and where it isnt relevant.