Do you Believe in Miracles? Why or why not?

He doesn't want to hear other people's logic or beliefs. He wants a platform for telling them how wrong they are because they don't think like him and he's the rightiest right of all the right there is.

nanox wrote: He doesn't want to hear other people's logic or beliefs. He wants a platform for telling them how wrong they are because they don't think like him and he's the rightest right of all the right there is.

Hm no, I am just looking for logic of which I havent heard yet. And I am actually very wrong in many things, I opened this forum so that I'll know whether I am right or wrong, of which I can easily be persuaded by logic. Thanks for greatly mistaking my intents though, cos you have given me the opportunity to make it clear.

UltimateContrarian wrote: Yes, why would it deprive them the opportunity to be honest? Just because I offer rational criticisms doesn't mean it would warrant people to lie.
And yes I agree, we do not have a disagreement with WHATSUERNAME that this would hurt people. well I also believe that decent people would set aside hurt feelings and would prefer to delve in a rational, sober, intellectual discussion.

I opened this thread to hear about the JUSTIFICATION of Miracles, so you have been forewarned, Justifications in a way that they can be determined whether what they have is a delusion, a wishful-thinking or whether they have some reasonable grounds in believing so.

Is bashing other people's thoughts and beliefs your idea of rational criticism, rational, sober and intellectual discussion? Heol

Justify yourself to him right now!

nanox wrote: Justify yourself to him right now!

No thanks, he wouldn't be able to handle it anyway.
And I don't need an additional worshipper right now

LuckyTree wrote:

nanox wrote: Justify yourself to him right now!

No thanks, he wouldn't be able to handle it anyway.
And I don't need an additional worshipper right now

But how can he tell you how right he is if you don't? That's so illogical!

Rabble rabble rabble atheism rabble rabble rabble

LuckyTree wrote:

nanox wrote: Justify yourself to him right now!

No thanks, he wouldn't be able to handle it anyway.
And I don't need an additional worshipper right now

Wishful delusional thinking are the things I am very equipped to handle. And do not worry about me worshiping you, I do not have the credulity to worship a deity who has glasses and lips twiched in a disturbing way.

UltimateContrarian wrote:

KeiChrono wrote:

UltimateContrarian wrote:

KeiChrono wrote:

UltimateContrarian wrote:

KeiChrono wrote: Yes, I do believe in miracles But only in those that have been validated by the Holy Church You can read about some of them in here> www.miraclehunter.co.../miracles1.html

What makes you think that the Catholic Church has the capacity or the power to discern what is a miracle and what isn't?

Because it is the only one that is truly based upon the infallible, divine revelation If you read about the discernment of miracles on the page that I linked, you can notice that their evaluation is very rigorous. Lots of events that people would call miracles are not considered as such by the Church. From 7000 so-called miracles at Lourdes, the Church has approved only 67

There are many religious groups that claim religious infallibility not just the Catholic Church.
And you say infallibility? There are about thousands of cases where the Catholic Church is wrong, claims of the natural world we live in, social and civil justice, of which they have given their apologies and still a thousand more they should feel the urge and the moral obligation to.

One example out of the hundreds I can think of: The catholic church propagated the dogma that every unbaptized children who died will go to a limbo, this had driven Christian parents in those time to severe grief and suffering thinking how could they have allowed their children to suffer such faith trapped in a limbo just because they have not baptized them in time, a hundred of years after, the Catholic Church lifted this dogma and said they made a mistake, and on the very next day assume infallibility again. SMH

Well, many can claim it, not many can have it For instance, there are lots of faith healers out there who love to invoke the name of Jesus, but that doesn't mean they are the real thing. You should watch Derren Brown's Messiah Also... the people of the Church may have failed at times, but one of the strengths of the Catholic Church resides precisely in its capacity to apologize (like Pope John Paul II did). Apologizing is not a weakness.

The famous limbo has never been an official dogma

This theory, elaborated by theologians beginning in the Middle Ages, never entered into the dogmatic definitions of the Magisterium, even if that same Magisterium did at times mention the theory in its ordinary teaching up until the Second Vatican Council. It remains therefore a possible theological hypothesis. However, in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), the theory of limbo is not mentioned. Rather, the Catechism teaches that infants who die without baptism are entrusted by the Church to the mercy of God, as is shown in the specific funeral rite for such children.

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It only shows that they are NOT INFALLIBLE and NOT IN POSITION of a DIVINE WISDOM. They are humans, and it shows by the mistake they make. They have no credibility whatsoever.

If you say so I do agree with Tamm, LuckyTree and Whatsurnames though, I reckon you will not be persuaded by religious reasoning

UltimateContrarian wrote:

LuckyTree wrote:

nanox wrote: Justify yourself to him right now!

No thanks, he wouldn't be able to handle it anyway.
And I don't need an additional worshipper right now

Wishful delusional thinking are the things I am very equipped to handle. And do not worry about me worshiping you, I do not have the credulity to worship a deity who has glasses and lips twiched in a disturbing way.

This will sound like a blasphemy coming from me, but I actually think LuckyTree would make a very cute deity

KeiChrono wrote:

UltimateContrarian wrote:

LuckyTree wrote:

nanox wrote: Justify yourself to him right now!

No thanks, he wouldn't be able to handle it anyway.
And I don't need an additional worshipper right now

Wishful delusional thinking are the things I am very equipped to handle. And do not worry about me worshiping you, I do not have the credulity to worship a deity who has glasses and lips twiched in a disturbing way.

This will sound like a blasphemy coming from me, but I actually think LuckyTree would make a very cute deity

Well we all have our preferences. Even if you are God, you certainly cant please everyone. My standards are much higher if we are talking about which diety I should be a slave to.