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nanox wrote: I've said it before and I will say it again now:
Atheism requires the same faith in one's own certainty about the universe that theism does. Neither knows, yet both claim to know what is unknowable.
"A wise man knows that he knows nothing. The fool thinks he knows all."
Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." That is the definition of the word atheism. I believe that you subscribe to is the older version, it is now the right time to update it. You may be a couple of decades late, but it is never too late to learn.
To say that atheism is some sort of religion that also requires faith, is to say that abstinence is a sexual position, that being bald is a hairstyle.
An atheist, do not profess to know everything, to suggest that is ridiculous. An atheist questions and doubts, and can only be strictly persuaded by reason, anything other than that, is nonsense, thus it does not deserve our time. Our stand is, the burden of proof lies to those who make extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, we are still waiting for the evidence to show you up that matches the gravity of the claim.
We do not operate in faith, we operate in skepticism. That is also the reason why we cannot be called agnostic, an agnostic gives it a 50/50 chance, we do not, the gravity of such claim that there is a god, and that god answers prayers, and that god is the one true god and the thousand others are false, is a very, very fantastic claim that any thinking person, when faced with this, should double, triple, quadruple the force of his or her skepticism and standard of verification to this claim.
An atheist doesn't that there is no god, an atheist merely says that there is no persuasive argument or valid evidence to support one. We do not know, and the theists do not know either, they just claim that they do for all the wrong reasons.
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The theists when asked whether there is any evidence or argument that can change their mind, the theists would answer "Nothing, nothing can change our minds, it is our faith". On the other hand, we atheists, can be persuaded about anything, and we would adapt that view or a belief immediately if there is evidence to support it.
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Sofronitsky wrote: Do capital A Atheists circumcise their women?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
I know what you did there.


But on the topic of circumcision, of genital mutilation, of men and women. That idea is inherently from religion. It is a religious tradition to dull the pleasures of love-making.
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UltimateContrarian wrote:
nanox wrote: I've said it before and I will say it again now:
Atheism requires the same faith in one's own certainty about the universe that theism does. Neither knows, yet both claim to know what is unknowable.
"A wise man knows that he knows nothing. The fool thinks he knows all."
Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." That is the definition of the word atheism. I believe that you subscribe to is the older version, it is now the right time to update it. You may be a couple of decades late, but it is never too late to learn.
To say that atheism is some sort of religion that also requires faith, is to say that abstinence is a sexual position, that being bald is a hairstyle.
An atheist, do not profess to know everything, to suggest that is ridiculous. An atheist questions and doubts, and can only be strictly persuaded by reason, anything other than that, is nonsense, thus it does not deserve our time. Our stand is, the burden of proof lies to those who make extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, we are still waiting for the evidence to show you up that matches the gravity of the claim.
We do not operate in faith, we operate in skepticism. That is also the reason why we cannot be called agnostic, an agnostic gives it a 50/50 chance, we do not, the gravity of such claim that there is a god, and that god answers prayers, and that god is the one true god and the thousand others are false, is a very, very fantastic claim that any thinking person, when faced with this, should double, triple, quadruple the force of his or her skepticism and standard of verification to this claim.
An atheist doesn't that there is no god, an atheist merely says that there is no persuasive argument or valid evidence to support one. We do not know, and the theists do not know either, they just claim that they do for all the wrong reasons.
That's the second time you have preached this sermon.
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nanox wrote:
UltimateContrarian wrote:
nanox wrote: I've said it before and I will say it again now:
Atheism requires the same faith in one's own certainty about the universe that theism does. Neither knows, yet both claim to know what is unknowable.
"A wise man knows that he knows nothing. The fool thinks he knows all."
Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods. Older dictionaries define atheism as "a belief that there is no God." That is the definition of the word atheism. I believe that you subscribe to is the older version, it is now the right time to update it. You may be a couple of decades late, but it is never too late to learn.
To say that atheism is some sort of religion that also requires faith, is to say that abstinence is a sexual position, that being bald is a hairstyle.
An atheist, do not profess to know everything, to suggest that is ridiculous. An atheist questions and doubts, and can only be strictly persuaded by reason, anything other than that, is nonsense, thus it does not deserve our time. Our stand is, the burden of proof lies to those who make extraordinary claims, and extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, we are still waiting for the evidence to show you up that matches the gravity of the claim.
We do not operate in faith, we operate in skepticism. That is also the reason why we cannot be called agnostic, an agnostic gives it a 50/50 chance, we do not, the gravity of such claim that there is a god, and that god answers prayers, and that god is the one true god and the thousand others are false, is a very, very fantastic claim that any thinking person, when faced with this, should double, triple, quadruple the force of his or her skepticism and standard of verification to this claim.
An atheist doesn't that there is no god, an atheist merely says that there is no persuasive argument or valid evidence to support one. We do not know, and the theists do not know either, they just claim that they do for all the wrong reasons.
That's the second time you have preached this sermon.
It is not a sermon, it is a valuable knowledge that you have resisted stubbornly, time and time again, a knowledge that would correct your basic misunderstanding of what atheism is, would have corrected long ago your ignorance of it.
And if you wanna change the definition of a term to whatever form or shape you please. Then do so, but just never make the mistake of insisting that your own made-up definition represent my views.
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There is nothing about the way you argue to suggest that you are open to changing your mind in the face of logic. In one thread you stated there were no absolutes while calling things evil and wrong only a few posts apart.
You change the terms and definitions to fit whatever debate you are having in order to be right. That isn't rationalism, that is rationalization.
As a side note, the term comes from the Greek word "Atheos" meaning "without deities" and later developed into the pejorative term of "atheist" to label non-believers. Not the other way around.
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Edit: I forgot to mention you ppl need to earn a lot of money and produce baby to be ready for that day coming. In case you die you have your child and money to bring you back. Time is not enough is it ? Check mate hahahahaha
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nanox wrote: I wasn't the one who changed the meaning of the word. What you are describing, the doubt and skepticism of one who simply says, "I don't know if God exists or does not exist but the chance that anyone else does either is unlikely," is agnosticism. It isn't belief or disbelief. You have declared numerous times that God does not exist and that certainty requires a knowledge and certainty you cannot possibly possess. It is your belief and your faith in that belief.
There is nothing about the way you argue to suggest that you are open to changing your mind in the face of logic. In one thread you stated there were no absolutes while calling things evil and wrong only a few posts apart.
You change the terms and definitions to fit whatever debate you are having in order to be right. That isn't rationalism, that is rationalization.
As a side note, the term comes from the Greek word "Atheos" meaning "without deities" and later developed into the pejorative term of "atheist" to label non-believers. Not the other way around.
You are highly incompetent to delve into a discussion like this, you give an impression of somebody who clearly has not read the arguments on the opposing side.
And yes, for somebody who really do not have the sophistication of treating the subcategories of the GOD discussion independently, it is easy to make the mistake that I am contradicting myself, Yes, there are no absolutes when it comes to morality, however the laws of nature are absolute, in the macro sense, however, the same thing do not apply to the quantum world, although it doesn't mimic the laws of nature in the macro world, the quantum world has an entirely different set of absolute laws that govern it, entirely different on different stages however. You must learn how to transition from one topic to the other and learn to segregate the volume of knowledge.
You insist that I am impervious to logic and reason, that is taking the complete opposite of what I stand for. And I cannot suffer that over and over again, if you think of atheists as fools for believing they know everything, and if you think that we profess faith just as the theists do, then you are wrong. You certainly are inept to the subtleties of these discussions, and if I could see that you truly wanted to understand, then I would give my time to you more, but all I can see is your stubbornness, your emotional campaign to disagree at everything I say, and if you dont disagree to my ideas, you find ways to disagree on how I deliver it. Which is really very obvious, that whenever I try to respond to you in a thoughtful manner and I try be as eloquent as I can in order for you not to confuse me once again, you call it a sermon, you refuse to even read it and attach stupid memes to it instead of responding in a coherent way.
I suggest that if you continue this stubbornness of yours, in finding a fault when there is none, of finding a disagreement and creating one when there is none. Then I suggest you stop posting on my thread. Do not worry, I really know how you feel about me, I know your objections and your pleading cries and I am sure you also know how I feel and think about you. So I demand you stay off this thread, you are only breeding confusion to all the other people who wish to participate here, that is not what I wish to achieve.
Reserve the space that you wastefully occupy on this thread for somebody else who wish to understand the matters being discussed here. Thank you.
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